During the race for the 2008 Republican nomination for U.S. president, numerous commentators made comparisons between John F. Kennedy in 1960 and Mitt Romney today, and such comparisons will likely reemerge in these final months of the 2012, once Romney seals the nomination at the Republican National Convention. The idea is that Kennedy faced entrenched anti-Catholicism and managed to overcome it by convincing Protestant voters that he was their kind of Catholic--one who didn't listen to Rome. Similarly, Romney, a Mormon, while benefiting from the general impression that Mormons are conservative on social issues such as abortion, has tried to distance himself from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints--at least in terms of how the Mormon Church might affect his presidency.
In Romney's case, however, there is no question of a foreign power exercising control over the U.S. government. Mormonism is very much an American religion. Any opposition Romney is likely to face as a result of his church affiliation concerns doctrinal matters. Despite the numerous differences between Catholicism and the various branches of Protestantism, all share the same doctrine on the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ. Mormons hold different beliefs, believing that each member of the Trinity is a separate god with a physical body, and holding that Christ is the physical son of God the Father and Mary. During Romney's last presidential run, at least one commentator suggested that, for most orthodox Christians, Protestant and Catholic, these doctrinal differences may play an important role as they decide whether to vote for Mitt Romney.
What do you think? Would you consider voting for a Mormon for president? Take our poll, and please make sure to choose the appropriate option, depending on whether you're a Christian or not.
Please note: While Mitt Romney's presidential run occasioned this poll, the poll is more generic. I am not asking whether you will vote for Romney or Obama, but whether you would vote for a Mormon for president, this year or in the future.
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I would not vote for a Mormon because I don’t view them as Christians. The Mormons have added the Book of Mormon to the Bible as scriptural text and follow the directives and teachings of their modern day prophet.
I would not vote for a Mormon as they are NOT Christians. Gordon Hinckley stated 20 some years ago that they are not Christian and do not believe in Jesus as other folk do. Look at their temples for the inverted star or pentagram as most would call it. However you wont find a cross in their “by invitation only” temples. But in order to attract more gullible people to their religion, they had to go more mainstream and again and again change the wording the their Book of Mormon. Review the White Horse Prophesy that states: “…When the constitution is hanging by a thread, the Saints will come in and take over..” It’s not a religion, but a very well-managed, well-orchestrated corporation that really doesnt care about the everyday gullible Mormon. From the Meadows Massacre, “Prophet” Joseph Smith bringing arms against the State of Illinois in Nauvoo in 1838, the morbid temple ritual that was cleaned up, the Danites, Mormons FARMS, the White Salamander murder issue, people need to wake up and see this “religious” corporation for what they really are. Raed up on it and investigate it first before voting.
Mormons are not Christian, they are polythiests. Some, however, call them Christian which is very confusing to some. I don’t care for him anyway, as a presidential candidate, so it just makes it easier to realize this about him I really prefer honesty and that, he is not, if he claims to be Christian.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You repeat myths and lies rather than true investigation.
I’m very sorry that you have been given false information. I don’t know where you heard that Gordon B. Hinckley said Mormons aren’t Christians, but I am certain that the quote was either fabricated or taken out of context. Some may call me a “Mormon,” but the actual name of my church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.I can say that without a shadow of a doubt I know that Jesus Christ is my Savior. I know that He died on Calvary for each and every one of us. This is what I read in my scriptures each and every day, and what I’m taught at every church meeting I attend. Every prayer, every sermon, every lesson is closed with the words, “In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.” While it is true that you won’t find a cross on our temples, it is because while we teach the Atonement on the cross, we focus on the Resurrection which occured 3 days later. Because Christ overcame the cross and death we will all live again. I know that God lives and loves us. I know that he sent his Son so we may return to heaven. I know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true. As to your other criticisms, with a little bit more research you will find that they are forgeries, lies, or the actions of people who have no authority within the church. To any who have questions, I invite you to read the Book of Mormon for yourself and to ask God in prayer if it is true. As it says in the Bible, “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraitheh not; and it shall be given him.”
I would vote for a Mormon. I want an intelligent candidate who is not eager to make war, who sees government as a good thing when it acts as our collective “vetting” process for decisions that positively promote the common good, who has the courage to employ staffers who will occasionally disagree, and who breaks from corporate war machine. I don’t think that will be a Republican. Sorry, Mitt.
No I will not vote for Romney. I have read that he was one of their missionaries over in Catholic France trying to convert Catholics in France to Mormonism. Absolutely not! No vote from me!
Mary said “No I will not vote for Romney. I have read that he was one of their missionaries over in Catholic France trying to convert Catholics in France to Mormonism. Absolutely not! No vote from me!”
Hey, Mary, I too was over in France (1973 – 1975), after Mitt Romney was there. I also tried to convert Catholics to the Church of Jesus Christ (the so-called ‘Mormon’ Church). I also tried to teach Muslims, Baptists, even Jews there too.
Ancient ‘Christians’ taught those of other religions, including Jews, though Jesus himself told the Samaritans—
“Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.”
We follow Jesus’ commandment— “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
No I would not vote for Romney. The Mormon Church does not believe in the Immaculate Conception. At first glance they will tell you they do but when you study their doctrine they do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. They believe God is the spirit father of Christ only and that Joseph sired Christ. The Mormon Church is fashioned after the Masons. The Masons are in direct opposition to Catholicism and to Christ. The Masons had secret handshakes and symbolism which is in direct opposition of God. Religion however, is not the only factor in not voting for Romney. There is the fact that he just doesn’t come across as a strong leader type. Sincerely, Melinda Ellison
They also believe that God and his wife are conceiving spirit babies that become the babies born on earth. They also believe that they need to “work” for Mormonism on earth so they can be gods in heaven.
Excuse me, but it is absolutely not true that the Mormon church teaches Joseph, Mary’s husband, sired Jesus Christ. We may not worship Mary the way the Catholics do (and I was a Catholic for 34 years), but we revere her as the mother of Jesus here on earth, having become pregnant while still a virgin and before she married Joseph. We just don’t label it the Immaculate Conception.
You are totally ignorant on the subject. The people who are bigots against Mormons are those who know nothing about them.
Melinda needs to get her facts straight. Mormons do NOT believe that Joseph was the biological father of Jesus. Mormons believe that God the Father was the literal father of Jesus Christ. And why does his missionary work have anything to with this subject? Sure, he proselyted. Lots of Christians do. People who are interested will listen. Missionaries don’t hold a gun to anyone’s head and force them to join. I’ve been a practicing Mormon my entire life so I know what I’m talking about. As for the voting issue, I would not vote for someone simply because they were also Mormon. I will vote for the person I think is best for the job.
Missionaries have told me that God came to earth, had relations with Mary and fathered Jesus. That totally contradicts the Bible.
Niki Cavanaugh said—
“Missionaries have told me that God came to earth, had relations with Mary and fathered Jesus. That totally contradicts the Bible.”
Which Bible are you reading? Mine says—
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Luke 1:35)
Voters, the real issue is that Mormonism is a cult and a business that has wanted to take over the US and the World since his crooked founder Joseph Smith created it and became “President” of the Mormon Army. This is why the Feds had to take care of him (a coop). Why do you think that the rest of the cult had to leave the east coast and take over the Native Americans at their new headquarters in Utah? It’s hard to find Native Americans in “Utah”. The majority of the Utah population are inbreeds and descendants of Brigham Young. This is a cult that has been taught to hate and take over the rest of the US.
The LDS are secretly owners or stock holders of most major businesses in the US and overseas (IE: The Utah State, Marriott Hotels, Delta Airlines, Wells Fargo, Deseret Industries, the Mormon Temples, to name a few). You are afraid of Osama, well be afraid of the power of Hinckley (their acting president).
They do not care or help anyone in need unless you are a Mormon, or they are in public eyes and their “Bishop” signs a paper. Romney is just a puppet of the LDS cult. Read some history. Although, the LDS cult has tried to cover their facts with the promised secrecy of their followers, one can find the LDS questionable actions everywhere in black and white, starting with the Book of Mormons. Believe what you want, but when you vote remember that we only have one USA.
Wow! Ed, you are wildly misinformed.
“the real issue is that Mormonism is a cult and a business that has wanted to take over the US and the World since his crooked founder Joseph Smith created it and became “President” of the Mormon Army. This is why the Feds had to take care of him (a coop – Ed, I think you mean, “coup”).”
A cult? Like the church that Jesus (called Christ) founded. If you read your Bible, you would know that the ancient Christian church was considered heretical by the various sects of Judaism, from which it’s initial adherents were proselytized.
The only way in which “Mormonism” “attempts to take over the world” is that we offer to share with others the important eternal truths that we believe God made manifest first to and through Joseph Smith. And your calling him “the crooked founder” is absolutely false.
He was general of the Nauvoo Legion, yes. But the Latter-Day Saints were allowed a militia by the state of Illinois in their city charter. You omit the fact that an expulsion order was made by Governor Boggs of Missouri, causing loss of property, suffering, and loss of life. They only sought to protect themselves, since the Federal Govt refused to do so.
Interestingly, though both were not guilty of it, both Jesus Christ and Joseph Smith were held and prosecuted on charges of treason. Both gave their lives. And, it was, rather, not the ‘Feds’, but the Carthage Grays & others, with painted faces, who stormed to prison where Joseph & his brother, Hyrum Smith were held, & shot them in cold blood.
Ed, your condoning of their murder puts you, I believe, as guilty almost as those men who killed Joseph & Hyrum Smith!
Ed also said, “The LDS are secretly owners or stock holders of most major businesses in the US and overseas (IE: The Utah State, Marriott Hotels, Delta Airlines, Wells Fargo, Deseret Industries, the Mormon Temples, to name a few). You are afraid of Osama, well be afraid of the power of Hinckley (their acting president).”
If you mean that LDS own the “State of Utah”, you are sadly mistaken. Mormons long have had a majority in Utah. But non-LDS numbers are going up while LDS #’s are going down in Utah.
Marriott Hotels was founded by a Mormon, J. Willard Marriott, and his family is still involved in the corporation. I don’t know about Delta Airlines. And, I don’t think they own Wells Fargo, since that bank is a pro gay institution. (My own father closed his accounts with Wells Fargo back in the 1990′s).
Mormon Temples are $ consuming & not $ generating buildings. Deseret Industries is a chain of LDS Church owned thrift stores that hire people of all faiths who need a foot hold in new employment.
Ed further said, “They do not care or help anyone in need unless you are a Mormon, or they are in public eyes and their “Bishop” signs a paper. Romney is just a puppet of the LDS cult. Read some history. Although, the LDS cult has tried to cover their facts with the promised secrecy of their followers, one can find the LDS questionable actions everywhere in black and white, starting with the Book of Mormons. Believe what you want, but when you vote remember that we only have one USA.”
I was, for a couple of years, a ward clerk in a local congregation. I often co-signed checks that were given to those not of the LDS faith, to help them pay utility bills, hospital bills, and the like. Sure, they were asked, as are members who receive help, to give back in terms of service, as much as they are able. But your claim is very much misinformed.
And, obviously, Ed, you have never opened & unbiasedly read the Book of Mormon. Here is some of the “error” you allude is found in the Book of Mormon—
17 And behold, I tell you these things that ye may learn wisdom; that ye may learn that when ye are in the service of your fellow beings ye are only in the service of your God.
18 Behold, ye have called me your king; and if I, whom ye call your king, do labor to serve you, then ought not ye to labor to serve one another?
19 And behold also, if I, whom ye call your king, who has
spent his days in your service, and yet has been in the service of God, do merit any thanks from you, O how you ought to thank your heavenly King!
(Book of Mormon | Mosiah 2:17 – 19)
my goodness! i didn’t realize people hated mormons so much! i like mormons, there not a creepy cult, the mormon church has a lot to offer people, my best friend joined and she’s a better person because of it – why do people have to be so hateful??
Raphaelle,
If you would do some research about the Mormons, you would find out what they believe. Their Bible is the Book of Mormon and their beliefs about many, many things are so off the wall that you would be shocked if you read about them. Go to a Christian bookstore and ask if they have a book on what the Mormons believe. It can’t be anything that the Mormons have believed. They do not tell the truth. They cover up many things. I happen to like the Mormons that I know. They are family oriented and are nice people for the most part. However, they are, indeed, a cult. You really need to learn the truth about them.
You obviously haven’t taken your own advise. You really need to learn the truth about them.
Glenda said, “I happen to like the Mormons that I know. They are family oriented and are nice people for the most part. However, they are, indeed, a cult.”
Jesus said, “15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather
grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Matthew 7:15 – 21)
I find it funny when people say “read some history”. To them I must say “acquire an education”, because every formally educated person knows that the “official” history is ALWAYS written by the winners. There are a lot of people who don’t like the Mormons, and thus write negative “official” history about them. If you really want to “read some history”, then how about being fair about it and listening to both sides. You can’t argue against being fair. Now, since my LDS religion is very fair about things, we do not believe that any man or woman should get the vote because they are Mormon; we believe that the best person for the job should get the vote.
There are now more LDS than Jews in the US by a wide margin. What kind of intolerance and loathing are we breeding with comments like these? The LDS Church is NOT some peripheral cult. It is time we ditch the propaganda that we have been spoon fed about LDS from those who seek to destroy this valid culture, faith and identity. Would you have a Mormon cleansing? From the comments read here I seriously wonder if deep down some of us really wish it…..
There is no law against stupid. Hope you get a nice planet when you become a God.
I am a Catholic Chirstian, reasonablyt well educated in my faith with post grad degree in theology and I have no particular regard for Mormon teaching nor do I agree with it at all…and I would even say they, by their teaching they are not truly Christian……and I would vote for Romney in a heartbeat….he is not running for Bishop or Parish Priest or anything oriented to clerical or religious dogma etc…. AND PLEASE NOTE, by way of contrast, there is another candidate who’s initials are B.H.O. who I consider a complete fraud and even possibly an evil person given his social agenda…..so Romney is no problem at all…but FIRST, I would vote for McCain…the next US President!
Jack K.
What is evil about a social agenda that promotes healthcare and education?
What is evil about this President is his support for abortion on demand. He was the one who also supported killing babies if they survived an abortion. This doesn’t evil to you?
Have you forgotten that BHO promotes abortion on demand?
That is certainly very evil.
I wouldn’t vote, not becuase I am prejudice of religious people but becuase I am tired of people forcing there belief system on everyone just becuase it’s right for some doesn’t mean it’s right for all and just becuase one person thinks their religion is the right one doesn’t truly mean it is for everyone else. I want someone who will give us basic guides to follow and make things work for the majority if not all and I don’t mean majority by the color of your skin or background according to the census. I didn’t vote for McCain because I am sick of rich old white jerks who want to line big companies and their own pockets and leave everyone else to hang by a thread although I am not entirely sure that Obama won’t do that himself and I don’t expect him to fix everything, I wish this enitre country of ours would finally stand up to the government and make them pay for the hell they put us through.
You would have to be a complete idiot to believe in the Book of Mormon and I would never vote for a complete idiot for President. I never voted for Bush or Reagan either. Same reason.
@ Doug – the sanest commentator on this subject so far!
I guess both of you geniuses also consider George Washington a complete idiot, too.
I’m a Roman Catholic who would not vote for a Mormon for president for the reasons Jimmy Akin gave on his blog a few days ago. At same time I would not vote for pro-choice president. This means that there’s a chance I will not be voting in 2012. Not too happy about that.
I don’t consider a persons’ religion when I vote. I am old enough to remember the controversy that surrounded John F Kennedy’s campaign and how he would take into consideration the Pope’s opinions on US affairs. It was totally uncalled for and very biased against him on account of his religion. So that made such an impression upon me. I was 10 years old when JFK was President and I vowed then never to make that a part of my process in choosing a President. I would definitely vote for Romney; he’s a good man. There are others who are in the running or considering it who are equally as good or knowledgeable. Thank you
I, too, am surprised at the anti-Mormon sentiments expressed.
Heads up voters! Our so-called “Christian’ President’s affection for abortion on demand was known before he was elected – and Catholics voted for him. Our President has made abortions on demand in this country and other countries his trade mark policy and we have not done much to stop this.
If the Republicans nominated Romney then I would vote for him – period. I would like to think that there are other qualified candidates who have at least similar beliefs and also respect life – but, if not, let’s at least put an end to this politically endorsed butchery of the unborn.
Yeah, and I told people before the election, anyone who’d listen, that this character, from who knows where, was for killing babies all the way up to nine months and beyond.
I’d just get these glazed over blank stares like they were still on drugs or something.
Just knowing a person’s views on abortion tells me a lot about them. If you don’t like me being that judgemental–too bad– take a hike.
When the time comes, after praying about my vote, Imwill vote for the man or woman whom I feel guided by God to vote for. if that person is Romney so be it. Gods Providence is more powerful than myths or religion or fears or principalities. if Romney becomes president, it just might be The Will of God.
Also consider that John Kerry is Catholic and no way would I ever vote for him! Mormanism doesn’t scare me one bit!
I am a devoted, conservative, Roman Catholic.
A tough one. You have to look at what the person stands for in both his public and private life. The theocratic structure of Mormonism can be problematic in this case.
Sometimes it comes down to the lesser of two (relative) evils. Compared to Obama, I might have to.
I am a Catholic and I’d vote for anybody who can beat Obama.
I am sick of so called pro-life republicans. These are politicians, not religous leaders. They encourage war, torture, and the death penalty. Their way of “ending” abortion is simply punishing mothers by reducing pre natal health benefits for them and their unborn babies. We’ve had republican presidents, congressmen, senators and supreme court justices, and nobody has ever done what they claim to beieve they should: made abortion illegal again. Republicans don’t care about abortion- they just care about the evangelical vote. Being pro-life means having respect for all life- this would include minimizing war, ending the death penalty and helping the sick get better health care beneifits. I’m a democrat and I’m pro-life. Honestly, I’d probably overlook my beliefs on the environment, economy, education etc and vote for a republican if I truly though he’d end abortion, but I know better than to be fooled by that empty promise. In the mean time, I’ll vote for a party that supports equal rights, education, health care, and diplomacy. I’ll attend Church and volunteer for various REAL pro-life groups. I’ll counsel my friends should they face this choice, and I’ll never get an abortion or kill another person. I wish I felt any politician lead as a true Catholic, or Christian, but since most of them can’t- I don’t see why I wouldn’t vote for a non-christian or Mormon.
I am a convert to Catholism from Mormonism. You better believe I would not vote for Romney, Huntsman or any of the others that are of that faith(?). They believe that when a Mormon is elected president of the US the world will end. They also don’t believe that Jesus is anything more than our “brother”. People say anyone is better than Obama. Yes, but not Romney or Huntsman. How about the Catholics that are running. ‘Bout time people started singing the praises of Newt and company.
If, unfortunately it’s some typical Republican wobbly like Romney,
Mormon-Christian- what does it matter? You want to continue watching the country and world being completely destroyed then vote back in the imposter.
Beamsmom, I understand how it is that most non-mormons on this site have absolutely no idea what Mormons actually believe, but you say that you were once a Mormon, if that were true you would know that your comments about the world ending and Jesus being nothing more than a brother to Mormons is 100 % pure fiction.
I won’t vote for Romney and in general any religion other than Catholic would be a negative for me, but not an automatic disqualifier. I can certainly think of circumstances where I would vote for a Mormon – or Moslem, Jew, Hindu, etc.
One of two people will run this nation at some point. You need to pick the one with the best ability to take this nation in the direction you want. You can pretent some third party person can win, but very highly unlikely. If you waste a vote on someone who isn’t going to win, you’re helping the candidate of the big 2 you like less. A vote isn’t an endorsement of every aspect of the candidate, sometimes just the better option.
My family is 1/3 Mormon, 1/3 Catholic and the other 1/3 can’t get along with anyone. I would not vote for Romney not because is Mormon, but because he is not PRO-LIFE. My Catholic side was in Utah before the Mormons settled there. I am also related to Brigham Young down the Mormon link.
Many of our formerly Mormon cousins have become Catholic and have been embarrassed by their Mormon roots. I try to commiserate with them and have them head for St Ann’s our home parish for talks with the priests, sisters and lay teachers who can help them reconcile with the faith and their families.
This may be off topic a little, but I have seen the Mormons at their worst and their best. Families come first which is why I do not understand Romney not being pro-life.
I would vote for any candidate that has the values I believe in. I don’t believe the gentlemen in question would be one of the best candidates for America IMHO.
Yes: I am a Roman Catholic, and I would vote for Mitt Romney or any other truly qualified Morman for president.
i could not vote for a mormon president.
I had the opopertunity to listen to a mormon who left the ‘cult’ and expressed the beleiefs of the Mormon church, They eleive they will be gods and inherit a planet. all people will go to a heaven.
jesus is not the Son of God but a man just like the rest of us.. I question beleifs and morals to this church.
You have been misinformed. This person might not have left the LDS church if they truly understood it. Mormon 5:14, from the Book of Mormon, says, “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.” If you read Doctrine and Covenants section 76 all of the issues you expressed are cleared up. http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76?lang=eng That is official LDS scripture. We believe that in order to return to Heaven with God and Jesus Christ you must live a righteous life.
I am sorry that someone would try to lead you astray. I testify that I have studied the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and I have prayed to my Father in Heaven to know if it is true, and I know that it is. If you seek truth and happiness, you may do the same.
I would vote for a Mormon, but not this particular Mormon. A Mormon president is not going to be able to enact Mormon beliefs into law, any more than a Jewish, Muslim or Hindi president. It matters more to me that the candidate is conservative, realizes that they government needs to change if this country is going to remain the great country it is, and believes in the value of human life. It kills me when a pro-abortion politician says they are Catholic (that’s a side note).
I would vote for a Mormon. I lived in Utah for four years and had to make the long commute to our parish church on Sundays and for the monthly KoC meetings since Catholic churches aren’t on every street corner or even in every town. The commute for most was long enough so that RCIA was held on Sundays after mass rather than during the weekdays.
There are definitely huge doctrinal differences but Mormons still make great neighbors if you make them understand that your faith is rock solid as I did by leaving copies of Latin Mass in the living room when they did their recruiting visits. Our Catholic friends in another town were raising funds for a new church and the Mormon wards (parishes) in the neighborhood helped with the fund raising, which I thought was quite charitable even from non-Christians.
While I think Mitt would be a good president, I feel there are other conservative candidates that might be just as good or better. I think this election will be won by someone who is a true conservative, and will truly bring dramatic change to our nation!
I have read more tripe on this “blog” in 15 minutes than I have in my entire time on the internet. Had obama not already been elected I would not believe there could actually be this many stupid people in the whole country.
I live on a street with a lot of Mormon families and have learned a lot about them and their faith over the years.
I would NOT vote for most Mormon candidates. Not because of their beliefs, which are indeed polytheistic (if each well-behaved Mormon gets to be the god of his own planet after death, with Mrs. God, what is that but polytheism?) but because they are the equivalent of a Stepford wife, who obediently does whatever his church tells him without thinking for himself.
The belief that human leaders are taking straight dictation from God is very troubling. So there was a big fight about the height of a steeple for a new temple that was not in keeping with the neighborhood. The leader in Salt Lake City kept saying God had decreed that the steeple for this particular temple had to be that high. But after it became pretty clear they would lose the battle, suddenly God changed His mind and told the leader that he really wanted a shorter height. (God also changed His mind about black people during the 1970s.)
Mormons are supposed to follow what these people say or they can be in big trouble. I don’t want my president doing that.
Sigh……Do you know there are more than two kinds of theism? Mormonism is not polytheism its Monolatry (Kingship Monolatry to be more precise) Tho there are other gods only one is worshiped in polytheism you have to WORSHIP more than one god im not a native english speaker habibi and even I know these terms
MONOTHEISM – MONOLATRY – HENOTHEISM – POLYTHEISM(toss Deism someplace to the left of Monotheism and Henotheism) you americans need to learn your language
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During the Proposition 8 debate in California, the local Mormons were under huge pressure to donate money and time to the campaign. One neighbor mentioned, after months of his family never seeing him on weekends because he had to work for the Proposition 8 campaign, that he so wished he could just spend part of the day with his family, but he had to go do this work on the campaign.
The stories and beliefs of the Mormons truly defy any reason. I don’t care about that, it’s their beliefs and they’re entitled. But it takes a lot of indoctrination from the earliest years to believe those things, a lot of indoctrination to be so unquestioningly obedient, and a heavily indoctrinated president is not what this country needs. We need people with the ability to think creatively, intelligently, rationally and above all independently.
Melinda Ellison said, “They (Mormons) believe God is the spirit father of Christ only and that Joseph sired Christ.”
As a lifetime Mormon myself, I’ve never heard, read or been taught this or anything like it. To the contrary, we believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh. We do believe that Christ and all of mankind are the spiritual offspring of God the Father. And we believe that Jesus is the first born spirit child of God the Father. And the only one of such integrity that, literally, from before the foundation (creation) of this world he was chosen by God the Father, and sustained by every human born into this world, to be the Savior of mankind.
As far as how Jesus was conceived, we believe fully and lliterally the account given in the Bible— (New Testament | Luke 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 31:21)
And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.
It is most interesting to me that a plurality of American citizens have no problem with electing a Muslim masquerading as a Protestant Christian. But, they do have a problem voting for a “Mormon” (member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint) who believes as I do, and as is taught throughout the Book of Mormon and all other LDS scriptures (including the Bible) that Jesus is the Christ, and that there is none other.
We also believe that as Jesus self-resurrected with a body of flesh and bones, he still has that body today. Or, as stated in our very 1st Article of Faith—
(Pearl of Great Price | Articles of Faith 1:1)
WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
Are Jesus and God the Father the same person? They are both members, along with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, of the Godhead. But Jesus himself clearly taught that while he and his father are one in purpose ((New Testament | John 10:30) I and my Father are one. —AND— (New Testament | John 17:11) And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Which clearly teaches that while God the Father and Jesus Christ are one in purpose, the Bible teaches that as we are commanded and commended to follow the example of the Son (of God), even so did he, quite literally, follow the example his father evidently gave in a life he similarly lived in a similar mortal existence—
(New Testament | John 5:19 – 21)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Yes, it was declared, “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(John 14:9)
Jesus pointed elsewhere in the scriptures where he and the father were one, in purpose. And, Jesus pointed out that he followed his father (in Heaven)’s example in action. Paul gives us an additional key to help us understand Jesus’ declaration to Philip. Jesus did not mean that the Father and he were the same being, or even different manifestations of the same being. Paul explained to the Jews—
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person
(Hebrews 1:1 – 3)
…that the sameness in purpose and action the Father and the Son have is also manifested in their appearance. THEY LOOK EXACTLY ALIKE.
Now, if you ask Tom and Tim, identical twins, if they are the same person, they will say, ‘Absolutely not!’. But, do they look the same? The ‘spitting image’! So it is with God the Father and his Only Begotten in the flesh. To further convey the likeness of the Son of his Father, besides being of “one mind”, so to speak, and the Son imitating the Father’s example (evidently from a long ago mortal life on a planet similar to ours), they also look alike!
If you want (Mormon) doctrine, I’ve given you some true Mormon doctrine. And NOT the mangled, twisted, unrecognizable misunderstanding given by an obvious anti-Mormon.
If you want a good president, why come to this next election, like so many of you came to the last one? The neo-Pharisees prevented Mitt Romney from getting the nod as the Republican nominee in Iowa, and elsewhere, because his brand of Christianity (yes, Christianity) is different from your own. And, the neo-Sadducees, who thought Hillary had New Hampshire in the bag, jumped over and voted against Romney (by voting for McCain).
If this is a religious race, then why even pretend that this clause in the U.S. Constitution matters—
“… no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
Why pretend that there is not a religious test?
Oh sure, the ‘government’ doesn’t require a religious test.
What gets me, is that even the ‘media’ (including internet sites like this one) sometimes point out this Constitutional clause. They basically shrug their shoulders, and feed the “beast”.
I would vote for an atheist, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a pagan, if they were otherwise qualified and the “best candidate” for this (presidential) office. But all of these neo-Pharisees and neo-Sadducees show me that after 2000 years, we’ve returned to the same thing. The members of The Church of Jesus Christ 2000 almost 2000 years ago would be treated as personna non grata, “outcasts”, etc. “They” (the ancient Christians) of Christ’s day and the apostles days were viewed, ALSO, as heretics. And, so they are (again/still) today. Proving that more things change, the more they stay the same, two millennia later!!
Prejudice and bigotry are okay, if they are about religion. What hypocrites so many of you are!
You know, I may or may not vote for Mitt Romney (or Jon Hunstman) for president. But I will make that decision based upon their qualifications for that office, and not on their religion.
If I vote for someone who will influence others that will inevitably lead to their damnation then as a Christian I have failed my commission from Christ.
I am an ex mormon and I went through hell getting out of it. But that is nothing compared to how I will feel that I was instrumental in letting others be deceived by a cult that is so unbelievably sly and cunning in their way they lie. So much that they convince themselves, as Jo Smith did, that they are a peculiar goodly godly people.
Romney had to confer with the Church President before he ran last time, I live in UT, I am come from a Mormon stock that were some of the first to settle here. They run this state. Our legislators are mostly Mormons, they dictate how we should live in regards to drinking. The restaurants in our state are not allowed to “pour” a drink in front anyone, they have to be behind a curtain!
If we have a Mormon president they will answer to the Church and that’s no lie.
Iam no longer in the “Cult” and it is a “Cult” you only have to go through the temple to see this.
Mormons do not read anything other than the Book of Mormon, and some bible versus that they claim prove thier religion is the “True” religion. They don’t even know thier own scriptures, which by the way have been changed thousands of times.If they have a question and ask it they are told they are not reading the BOM enough. They believe the bible to be true only as it is correctly translated!
Educate yourself like I did,go to utlm.org, a site where you can read the Mormon beliefs and scriptures that they have written themselves! Then decide if you want someone who is dumb enough to believe this junk to be our President….
I am an ex Mormon and I KNOW that although Mormons say they are Christians, they are NOT according to protestant definition of what Christ is. Moronism is works based that effectively negates the purpose of Christ.
Any Christian voting for Mitt Romney will face a major contradiction to what they are commissioned to do as Christians. Jesus Christ commanded all who believe in Him to proclaim the gospel and bring lost souls unto Christ.
Should Romney win the election and become President, he will influence and effect more people than any mission campaign will have done ever in the churches history. Every vote in the election will contribute to the successful campaigning for souls that will be lost to Mormonism. Fact is, it is MUCH more difficult to exit out of Mormonism than any other faith or cult existing today. Why, because it seems to look so good and so perfect. And they have a well oiled marketing and indoctrination machine.
If you vote for Romney as a Christian, you will vote souls to be lost instead of souls to be saved for Christ. CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT
Of course I would vote for a Mormon. President of the United States is not a religious position and a person’s ability to do a good job is not dependent on his/her church affiliation. You should vote for a person based on his/her platform on issues that are important to you such as abortion, econimic policy, foreign policy, social issues, education policy, etc.. Rather or not Mormonism conforms to your self-imposed criteria of what is or is not Christian is irrelevant and to be honest, silly. Some of the most Christian presidents of recent times have been the most damaging to our country.
Mormons believe that our God lives on a planet in our universe and that Jesus is his son but is completely separated. Jesus and Lucifer also live on this planet. They believe that out God is only one of many Gods. They also believe God was once a man and now still has the physical features of a man and is married and producing children to populate the world he lives in. They believe that a man’s destiny if righteous is to be become like God and have their own planet.
As a devout christian (eastern Orthodox), I am struggling to separate Mitt Romney from those beliefs.
I will vote in the best interests of the country. So far, that looks like Romney, because he has great private sector experience with a company that understands the economic factors that affect jobs. I don’t care what his personal beliefs are. I’m Catholic, and I support Mitt Romney. I would support him if he were Jewish, Muslims or any other faith.
First of all, is this the Diligent Dave show? Enough already! If you want to preach your religion please do it elsewhere! We are looking for a president that will do a good job in running the country, not a sermon. Have you ever heard of the “Seperation between church and state”? I myself have now found it very impossible to vote for Romney for president because of the religious ranting and raving going on here! As far as I am concerned Barak Obama took on one heck of a mess when he became president and four years later that mess doesn’t seem as bad any more. To me I’d say he has done some good for this country. I know that’s very hard for some people to accept but the facts have it!
I would never, ever vote for a Mormon, period. If Romney is elected, he will surround himself with other Mormons and they will plot to take over the world. I am not being dramatic here. When it comes right down to it, Mormons care nothing for those who are not part of their religion. They seek money, riches, and power above all else. Elect Romney and you are voting AGAINST the common man. They will weasel their way into the white house where their crooked ways will be exposed.
Out of the TWO choices we have you won’t vote Morman BUT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR A MAN WHO HAS A MUSLIN BACKGROUND? duh
Are Mormons Christian?
Yes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. Rather, it is a restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as originally established by the Savior in the New Testament of the Bible. The Church does not embrace the creeds that developed in the third and fourth centuries that are now central to many other Christian churches.
Latter-day Saints believe God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to save all mankind from death and their individual sins. Jesus Christ is central to the lives of Church members. They seek to follow His example by being baptized (see Matthew 3:13-17), praying in His holy name (see Matthew 6:9-13), partaking of the sacrament (see Luke 22:19-20), doing good to others (see Acts 10:38) and bearing witness of Him through both word and deed (see James 2:26). The only way to salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ.
If there had been no Nicene Creed or Emperor Constantine, Catholic and Protestant theology would be quite similar to Mitt Romney’s In fact, there would likely be no need for the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) to restore Jesus Christ’s church. Mormons’ theology is based on New Testament Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ are closer to Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormon teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com/
According to a 2012 Pew Forum poll of members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) 98 percent said they believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and 97 percent say their church is a Christian religion. They volunteer 7 times as many hours as does the general population, according to a 2012 University of Pennsylvania study. Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:
http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx
11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (including several presidents) were non-Trinitarian Christians, as is Mitt Romney, who is as faithful as the most devout Founder.
Mormon is just a nickname for members of “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. In Christ’s time, followers of Christ referred to themselves as Saints. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints refer to themelves as “Latter-day Saints” or LDS for short.
We worship Jesus Christ. He is our intermediary to the Father. We love Jesus Christ for what he has done for us. He atoned for our sins at Gethsemane and died on the Cross so we could live again.
We worship a Living Christ who is very much alive and is directing His Church. Prayer is an essential part of our life. When Jesus Christ came down to this earth, His message was not of bitterness and hatred but of hope, love, and eternal life.
If you are bitter and hatred of your fellow man, you are not following in Christ’s footsteps. Look at Romney’s family to see how he really is on the inside. His wife and family adore him.
Better a Mormon than the moron now holding the office.
There are many wars and executions between Catholics and Protestants because they each declared the other heretics. Now you use the same prejudice against Mormons. I thought Americans were above this type of behavior.
The Nicene creed was a political instrument designed to consolidate power for Emperor Constantine 300 years after Christ. It is hypocritical to exclude Mormons for having extra-biblical scriptures while requiring extra-biblical creeds.
When Jesus says he is the Son of God, we take him at his word. The Bible states it over and over., and it has been a controversy since.
FYI , there are many non-Trinitarian Christians, and some of them have been President of the USA.
It would really depend on the Mormon who is running for President. I would not vote for Mitt Romney or any other Mormon politician that I know of currently. Mormon or not, no one in any of the to major parties can represent my views in a way I would feel comfortable. I think the people of this nation are far to wicked any to make any kind of difference. There is a Mormon scripture I competely agree with and it why I see things as I do, it is speaking about this land, America:
Wherefore, this land [America] is consecrated unto him [the Lord God] whom he [the Lord God] shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him [the Lord God] according to the commandments which he [the Lord God] hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever. 2 Nephi 1:7
I do not think that most Mormons understand this either, just look at who they elect in Utah for example. So like I said I would vote for a Mormon but I do not know of a Mormon I could trust at this point.
@Melinda Ellison, you demonstrate the problem of applying a religious test to political candidates. Most people don’t even understand their own church’s doctrines yet alone another’s.
You are confusing immaculate conception with virgin birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception
Immaculate conception is a uniquely Catholic doctrine stating that Mary’s conception (not Jesus) was miraculous. It is extra-biblical and not accepted in any Protestant religion, including Mormons. It is one of many reasons why Protestants split off.
Interestingly, the Koran also echo’s the Catholic version of Mary’s birth, so they also share this same doctrine.
So you are saying you will ONLY vote for a Catholic or a Muslim …
Are you endorsing Obama? You might want to get a few more details, because he is rather vague about his current beliefs and this is obviously a deal breaker for you.
I would never vote for a Mormon for president. I have lived around Mormons and they are very intellectually dishonest -horrible people.
@#66, you argue that Mormons are not “Christian” by the Protestant definition because they don’t believe one is saved by faith alone. You must have forgotten you are on a Catholic website, and therefore you are saying Catholics are not Christian either.
So much for unity between Protestants and Catholics in declaring Romney unfit for office because of his unchristian beliefs!
Fanatics are slow to realize that using a religious test for office is a two edged sword that ultimately marginalizes all Christians.
Are Mormons Christian? Yes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. Rather, it is a restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as originally established by the Savior in the New Testament of the Bible. The Church does not embrace the creeds that developed in the third and fourth centuries that are now central to many other Christian churches.
Latter-day Saints believe God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to save all mankind from death and their individual sins. Jesus Christ is central to the lives of Church members. They seek to follow His example by being baptized (see Matthew 3:13-17), praying in His holy name (see Matthew 6:9-13), partaking of the sacrament (see Luke 22:19-20), doing good to others (see Acts 10:38) and bearing witness of Him through both word and deed (see James 2:26). The only way to salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ.
(part 1 of 3)
So what is Christianity? Perhaps it can be summed up best in this one scripture: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) I believe in this same Jesus Christ, that He is the only begotten Son of the Father, that He was given to us by His Father as a sacrifice for our sins because the Father loves us, and that only by believing in Him do we have eternal life. So, why this need to disparage and mock me, a Mormon? I know God loves me. He allows me to continually experience – to feel deep within my soul – the greatness of His love and a very real and joyful forgiveness of my sins through Jesus Christ.
How can traditional Christianity be considered more Christian or biblical than Mormonism? In their Nicene Creed – created over 300 years after Christ, not a part of the Bible, but worshipped with equal fervor as the Bible such that those who do not accept it are hated as non-Christian heretics – in this creed, the true nature of the relationship between the Father and the Son is undone. In it, the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. They are a “Trinity” of “one substance” – words not found in the Bible.
This is where traditional Christianity (or what we should call, “Nicenianism”) fails. Instead of believing the true teaching of the Bible (and Book of Mormon) that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,” they wrongly believe that He gave Himself as His Son. Therefore, they cannot understand the true nature of God’s love for His Son and for each of us, also His children. Their inability to believe in the Son as the Son may actually disqualify them from everlasting life.
(part 2 of 3)
What are the fruits of this failure of Nicenianism? The most pernicious fruit is their bigoted intolerance of those who believe differently, the desire to silence them, even by murder. Of course, Nicenianism became the prevailing religion! For well over a thousand years, anyone who dared oppose it was killed. It started in Europe with the burnings at the stake by the Catholics, then the Protestants. Such murders were common in this country, too, even through the early part of the 20th century, with Mormons and others still being killed for nothing more than their beliefs.
That bigoted mentality is still evident today in their anger at the LDS Church, their desire to tear down Mormonism on the basis of nothing more than their flawed interpretations of the Bible and their flawed understanding of the teachings of the LDS Church (which they could easily rectify by consulting mormon.org instead of their wildly misleading sources of misinformation).
The fruit of true Christianity is love and trust in God, peaceably allowing all to experience the freedom He gives each of us to believe according to the dictates of our own conscience, and to love all as a brother or sister, regardless of what they choose to believe. The true Christian accepts that he is imperfect, and that his understanding and interpretation of the Bible is also imperfect. Therefore, he esteems as his equals all those who profess faith in Jesus Christ, even if they interpret the Bible differently. He doesn’t want to kill anyone.
(part 3 of 3)
If God had wanted the Bible to be narrowly interpreted, He would have written it in a way that would have made more than one interpretation impossible. He clearly wants each of us to also rely upon His Spirit for understanding. This is not something you can lazily ask someone else to do for you. If you love God, plead with Him for His guidance as you study the Bible. Let each be responsible to God for their own interpretations, whether they choose to humbly follow the direction of the Holy Ghost in applying the teachings of the Bible, or whether they seek to twist its words to justify themselves in their sins. By their fruits you will know them.
I testify in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that I know by the unmistakable power of the Holy Ghost, as sure as I know of my own existence, that Jesus Christ is the Lord, our Savior and Redeemer, that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are both true, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the work of the Lord, His restoration of His original Christian church, restored by Him through a man He had called as a prophet, Joseph Smith, and led by Jesus Christ today through living prophets and apostles through whom He reveals His beautiful truths. Imagine that! How can any true Christian not want to be a part of this great work being done today by our resurrected Lord!
Don’t believe because of my words. Likewise, don’t turn away because of the words, opinions, philosophies, creeds or flawed interpretations of another. Seek the word directly from God. If you humble yourself before Him, trust Him and present to Him a loving desire to follow Him and do His will, He will give it to you by His Spirit. And it will be wonderful and beautiful beyond what you can imagine!
Willard calls this ” the Diligent Dave show” and objects to his Mormon “preaching.” Yet most of these other posters are preaching misinformation and distortions and falsehoods about Mormons. Everybody’s preaching at each other, Willard. That’s what you get on these forums, and they can’t ALL be right!
If you want the truth about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, go the the source, not to the opposition. If you want the truth about Religion with a capital “R”, are sincere and willing to follow the direction you receive, then ask God Himself (“if any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God . . .” –James 1:5).
That’s what I did, and that’s why I became a “Mormon”. I continue to be LDS because the rightness of that decision is continually reaffirmed to me by the Holy Ghost and by personal revelations and by multiple confirming experiences. That’s the case with most Mormons.
Those who become disaffected frequently have been offended by someone or had their pride injured, and started looking for things to criticize and listening to anti-Mormons, losing whatever spirituality they may once have had. You know who you are. Christ weeps for you and Satan laughs.
I would never vote for Romney. On the other hand, a candidate’s religion or lack thereof would not be a deal-breaker for me, but it might be a tie-breaker. In other words, between two otherwise good candidates, I’d vote for the one who belonged to my Church (e.g. a Catholic over a Mormon) or the one whose religion was closer to mine (e.g. a Moslem over a Hindu). God grant that I may someday have to choose on that basis. My problem is finding any candidate whose political stances or actions are even minimally acceptable, whatever his religion.
I _might_ vote for a Mormon, but I _WILL NOT_ vote for Romney.
He is a hollow opportunist who has lied, has bullied, and who refuses to be forthcoming about his finances.
Mormons believe the Holy Spirit has a body? They don’t believe in the Divinity of Christ? I am pretty sure the author misunderstands the doctrinal teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Members of the LDS Church worship God the Eternal Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and They along with the Holy Ghost, make up one Godhead. Is it different than the Trinity as concluded by the fourth century creeds? Yes, but they pray to the same God, just with a different understandings of who what He is and what His will is for us. They believe in Christ, His Divinity, His Atonement, and His Glorious Resurrection. His atonement and grace is at the heart of every tenant of their faith.
Boy, this site is full of people who are much uninformed/misinformed about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint. There are a bunch of twisted conclusion that really do not represent what Mormons really believe. Please if you wish to know more try mormon.org.
I thought some Protestant sites were prejudiced against LDS people but some Catholics are even worse. Please people do you really expect a candidate has to believe as you do or that person is not qualified or worse yet will destroy the USA?
Think for a minute about all the misinformation out there on Catholics, I am sure you get tired of it. Well so do Mormons.
In America history there have been many presidents that did not even believe in Christ let alone accept the Nicene Creed. John Kennedy was a poor example of a proper Catholic man. Did you require him to believe exactly as you do, or did you accept his misbelieving and misbehaving as just OK?????
I will neither support or nor reject Romney for President but if I rejected him as some of you do it would not be based on teachings of the LDS church of the Catholic Church. That was not fair for Kennedy or Romney.
When Mormons say they are Christian, they are not suggesting that their beliefs line up perfectly with evangelicals or Catholics or other Christians. Using the term “Christian” is not an attempt to gain acceptance into the mainstream — something that has little appeal or relevance to Latter-day Saints. Mormons are not interested in parsing semantics or embracing the Nicene Creed or any other post-New Testament creed in order to be accepted by the world of Christian orthodoxy. While there is more common ground between Mormons and creedal Christians than many realize, the differences are also substantial.
Latter-day Saints revere the Bible as a sacred volume of scripture. They cherish its teachings and engage in a lifelong study of its divine wisdom and revelation. The Bible is the word of God, “as far as it is translated correctly” (8th Article of Faith). During the centuries-long process in which fallible human beings compiled, translated and transcribed the Bible, various errors entered into the text. However, this does not override the overwhelming predominance of truth within the Bible.
What Mormons mean when they say they are Christian is that they follow Jesus Christ. Their religion teaches them not only that they should embrace the teachings of Jesus but also that they should try to model their lives on the pattern He set. All Christians can acknowledge that the Lord offered two commandments as primary — to love God and to love our neighbors. Doing so makes us followers of Christ, theological interpretations of doctrines notwithstanding.
I am amazed to hear such bigotry from Catholics toward Mormons, particularly when they have been maligned as “un-Christian” by other Christian groups, just as is being done here. And considering that the Mormons have a long standing history of working well with Catholics both in charitable works, and in anti-bigotry. When anti-Catholic riots erupted in 1844 Philadelphia, Joseph Smith himself condemned the actions and called for religious freedom and cooperation. Brigham Young donated a choice parcel of land to the Catholic Church so they could build the Cathedral of the Madeline in Salt Lake which is still a landmark of the city.
I am also mazed at the lack of education among Catholics… so many misinformed and misguided statements regarding the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS/Latter-day Saints/saints/nicknamed: “mormons”)…
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is sad in this age of alleged civility that there are so many who are ready to condemn Mormons. I guess they are Christian in name only. As for me, I plan to let God sort out who is most Christ like. I am humble enough to know that I am far from qualified to make that judgment.
I am truly saddened to hear Catholics talk this way. False information, quotes taken out of context, and unchristian attitudes. I’ve always considered devoted Catholics some of the finer folk in the world. I’ve also had several Catholic friends through the years.
Please fact-check before you write articles and spout off bigotry. We both lose when you don’t.
I spent the afternoon reading about the origin of the doctrine of the Trinity. Reconciling the Christian theology of 3 in 1 has always been controversial, with many various positions and subtle differences continuing today. I doubt that the average Christian can make sense of it, and must accept it as pure dogma, a mystery. It seems silly to use this as the litmus test of Christianity and how to cast a vote for an elected office.
Here is an interesting reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
Check out the side references too.
There are many Mormons who I would disagree with completely on some issues but who I might vote for–not Mitt Romney. He is a slick, lying opportunist.
As a former Mormon, I can guarantee that you will never meet anyone more self righteous, more hateful and more secretive than Mormons.
For me and as a Christian, voting for Mitt Romney would be like voting for a Jehovah’s Witness. Also, I have been thinking if any of the Apostles would have voted for a Gnostic in their time? The answer is absolutely no.
ExMoMo
Those two statements contradict each other.
The second is blanket statement about millions of people.
All in all, the post is not believable.
Does this ex-mormon profile fit you?
http://classicmomscorner.blogspot.com/2012/01/ex-mormon.html
I also would like to make another comment. Someone did mention in these comments about how could a Catholic vote for Obama especially given his voting record on abortion? I’m not a Catholic, just a Christian, but I will say shame on those Catholics.
These comments are rife with ignorance and intolerance.
mormons are not the last people i would vote for…..
these commentators are
I find it trivial and silly that anyone would not vote for a candidate for president simply because they happen to have a different faith. I am apalled that anyone with half a brain would even consider voting for Obama for a second term and still call themselves christian. How can you call claim to be followers of Christ and support a man who has come out in total support of gay marriage and will destroy the American way of life if elected to a 2nd term. The debt load and the unemployment and the taking away of our freedoms and installing of Socialism in our nation and you would support that in place of electing a man simply because he is a Mormon? I wonder how you can claim to be Christians and support that?
Maybe I missed it, but of all these commentators, who exactly said they were going to vote for Obama? You can always vote third party – or write in – or not at all.
I would not vote period as no one person in this imperfect world can fix the condition of this system. there is only one true GOD and one true faith and neither of these are it. Psalm83:18, furthermore Jehovah demands exclusive devotion Exodus 20:3, Psalm 135:15-18, and finally what difference will it make who votes who into political power because in the end Armagadden will destroy false religion and all those in political power. Doesn’t anybody read Revelations? (Revelation 17:18; 18:12, 13, 23) (Revelation 17:16) (Revelation 18:4). Has anyone ever really read the lords prayer (Luke11: 2-4)?Jesus prays for Gods will to be done on earth as it is in heaven which is cleansed, he cast the devil to earth who knows he only has a short time on earth until he is locked away for a thousand years. Do you actually read the bible with understanding?” I pray for all of you who are mislead, all of you who are seeking the truth with biblical proof and all of you who are lost, I pray these things IN JESUS NAME , AMEN(so be it). I pray for YOU.
I have family that are Mormons, 4 generations. If you go to Idaho and Utah and are among them, their first comment is: “You only see White Faces here”. They express hate towards anyone who is not White, and verbally state that all FAGS should be shot to death. If you read the Book of Mormons, you will see that they consider the man of the house “GOD”, and all things that he teaches his family and children are to be done as he says. His wife is considered a GODDESS. It is very extreme. They also stated that they purposely don’t discuss their Mormon belief to anyone politically and/or in business, because they don’t want their belief to be considered in their success to take over the country and/or business. All those who really want to know what they believe should read “The Book of Mormons”. Every American should be very concerned. I wasn’t until after I experienced it first hand on how they feel about anyone who isn’t white and not a Mormon.
Someone up the line said Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) help only themselves. It is true the Church has one of the most renowned welfare programs around, but we do not help just Mormons. Some of you who oppose The Church of Jesus of Latter Day Saints should know that Catholics and Mormons have assisted each other in all kinds of disaster relief programs throughout the US and around the world. Catholics have for instance has supplied the knowhow and trucks while Mormons have supplied food and clothing. Other times Catholics have the provided the facilities and Mormons have contributed food for “soup kitchens” around the nation. There is really no reason to have so much animosity between our Churches just because it is an election year.
To Linda Johnson
One cannot call you misinformed because you say you have had personal experience with “Mormons”. But Linda you make so many silly and unfounded statements I am going have to call you a spreader of falsehoods. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do not hate non whites, in fact more members are of Hispanic origin than are “white” There are now nearly one half million Mormons who are Black.
I challenge you to support, with other than your hearsay that “fags” are shot anywhere in Utah or Idaho by persons who are LDS. You have perjured yourself in the worse way. You should feel ashamed for telling such a ridiculous statement.
The Book of Mormon does not that women are expected to everything the husband says to do. Again I challenge you to provide proof of this. The Book of Mormon teaches the same thoughts as the Bible does on this issue.
We regard the Bible and the Book of Mormon as doctrine and canon of the Church.
We are not trying to take over the USA persons as smart as you are would stop us in a heartbeat.
Please folks, there is a lot of silly thoughts out there about Mormonism, know what you say before you insult yourself with unfounded, base statements
Thank you Stephen Buck. I totally rolled my eyes when I read Lydia’s post. Definitely the work of a troll.
I am a faithful practicing Catholic. Of course, that means my politics is enlightened by my Faith. If I had the opportunity to vote for a faithful, practicing Catholic, whose politics is also enlightened by our Faith, of course, I would vote for him. But I don’t have that choice. So I will vote for the candidate whom I believe will least impede my ability to live as a faithful Catholic should live, and least impede my ability to carry out my duties to God, to my family, and to my community. If that candidate is a Mormon, then I will vote for him. If that candidate is a Buddhist, I will vote for him. Just as long as that candidate respects that freedom of religion is more than freedom of worship, that it is freedom to practice, in all aspects of my secular life, my religion, without interference from government. He must recognize that Freedom OF Religion was never meant to be Freedom FROM Religion, but Freedom FOR Religion.
Mormons are not Christians when we apply that definition in the strictest sense. They do not believe in the Trinity and there are many things that they do believe in that do not make up Christianity. Mitt Romney has said that he is pro life and I hope that he will be faithful to that promise. As far as I am concerned there is no choice but Mitt Romney who I hold in higher regard than others in public life who claim to be Catholic but their actions belie that. That to me is a far greater issue and offense.
Neither candidates are Christian so the whole idea of voting by religion really goes out the window. It shouldn’t even be a topic for Christians then as neither candidates apply in this election year. You’re left with voting for the canditate & their policies or lack thereof, unless you just don’t vote, but then where does that leave you?
Scott, even though as a Catholic I do not agree with the beliefs of the Mormon religion, I do share in many of the same values. Mormons believe in God and they have services weekly to remind them of the love of God.
I don’t appreciate the values of a man who says he is Christian but does not go to church. That man’s faith is like the mustard seed scattered on a rocky hill side. The seeds there, but it’s just not growing.
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Here we are in this great country and we’re totally mising the point of this upcoming election! This is NOT about a religious belief, it is about the survival of our Republic!!! Wake up folks, we have to get rid of the current administration so we can get back on the track of being Americans.
Mitt Romney may be Mormon but so what?! I am a Roman Catholic but I am going to vote for Mitt because he is our only hope of turning this country around. He HAS the credentials and a proven track-record. Don’t believe all of the left-wind rhetoric about him.
All of us need to rally around Mitt and give him our TOTAL SUPPORT….
I think the better question here is, “would you vote for a President who has proven himself to be the most anti-Catholic, anti-Christian president in modern history?” I always amazes me that we address the religion of a President in years were the opposition makes a big deal out of the candidate’s religion. Yet most of us have no idea of the religious beliefs of most of the candidates in the past. Few know that President Nixon was a Quaker, yet he was President. I would be more inclined to vote for a Mormon for President than a professed Catholic who believes in gay marriage, abortion and other anti-Catholic positions. Simply because a candidate is the same or different religion as we are, doesn’t mean that they have the same or different moral values and policies that we support. Are we still that swallow a nation that we judge people because of their religion in a land based on religious freedom?
Then they are running the wrong candidate Romney has supported the homosexual agenda for years. He proclaimed gay pride day in MA as Governor supported abortion
Fortune reports: Romney’s big money man is hedge fund manager Paul Singer, a major supporter of “gay” organizations and huge force behind recent passage of NY’s “gay marriage” bill. “He’s determined to put a candidate who shares his views back in the White House.Mitt Romney holds fundraiser with manufacturer of the Morning After Pill, LifeSite News, 5/18/2012. (What happened to his pro-life conversion?) A $50,000-a-plate fundraiser was held at the home of Phil Frost, executive of the company (Teva Pharmaceuticals) that makes the morning-after abortion pill.
Solidarity friends, solidarity!
The country, our country, is in time of need. The country needs all of us, its dwellers and citizens, to help shoulder the load to reconstruct, rebuild and restore it to its former glory.
I, for one, will make a list of values that are important to the effort of restoring our country to the condition which we each will respect one another, honor the dialog without attacking the human person, and bring jobs back to our people. To the right of this list, I will have two columns one for each candidate. For each of my listed values, I will give a score to each candidate. After I am through with the list, the sum of scores for each candidate should give me some indication as to who I might consider voting for.
Both modern Christians and Mormons have virtues. It is not so much who practice which religion. It is so much more who live the virtues. In a family, one brother may be a doctor while another may be a lawyer but they are members of the same family. In our country, some may be Christian and others may be Mormon but we all are citizen of this great country. Let us focus on restoring prosperity to the country by voting for the candidate who will treat “Jobs for the Country” as his job number 1.
Well said “Fellow Countryman”.
I would also like to add that there is much more to our challenges than just who we elect as our next president. We also, must vote out all members of Congress (House and Senate) who are helping to destroy this great country.
The presidency is important but so is the Congress.
i would vote for a nominee if he/she were mormon. my main qualification is wheather the person is good for America. The abortion issue is very very important, but it is not an issue that can be won with politics, but rather education/knowledge. We need to educate folks on the miracle and gift of life AT CONCEPTION. We cannot force this education/knowledge thru law.
In 13 weeks, its gonna be very important to mark the box for Romney, instead of Obama. a non-vote is a half vote for obama.
I was very suprised to read that in 2008, Obama recv’d the majority of the Catholic vote. WHAT!!!! Catholic Americans voted in a person who voted for and sees nothing wrong with late term abortions, and who initially said that the Catholic Church will have to pay for insurance that offered contratception/abortions, and who believes equal results for unequal efforts. These past four years were just a warm up session of what he can and will do in the next four [if given the vote]. remember, he believes he is above the law and he knows that he wont have to do another campaign so no holds barred. when he was elected, his transition co-chair, valerie jarrett, stated he will be ready to ‘rule’ on day one. my stomach dropped as i read the comments that stated ‘i will not vote for romney because he is not christian’.
Even before the Right to Conscience (ie Freedom of Religion) is the Right to Life from the moment of conception. You have to have life in order to exercise conscience. If one candidate accepts that this right is absolute, and another declares it to be contingent on the convenience of another, then it’s a no-brainer. I will vote for a self-proclaimed atheist who protects the Right to Life as a natural right over a self-proclaimed “Christian” who also proclaims that it’s a “woman’s right” to kill the person who was conceived within her body.
As a woman, I am appalled and insulted at this country’s indoctrination of girls and women to see their sexuality, not as a gift for bearing and educating the next generation, but as an object to be always available for the immediate gratification of whatever male happens to find her attractive at the moment. “Choice” has not freed women, but enslaved them.
The man who would promote this “choice” even on his own daughters, as our president has done, is reprehensible, for what he is really extolling is the “freedom” (ie license) of any man, who can impregnate any number of women in a single day, each of whom will be pregnant for nine months and with a child until that child is an adult, and tell them all, “get an abortion if you don’t want to be alone in this situation, You have a choice,” while he goes on abusing their sexuality as an object for his immediate pleasure.
The candidate that I vote for must be the one who supports the right to life, because all other rights are contingent on this one.
As a loyal American, I will always choose to vote for the best man or woman for the job. If he or she is Catholic, I’ll be thrilled, but it is not a requirement. I will not vote for a Catholic whose values I share but whose abilities are not up to the job. I will definitely vote for Mitt Romney, as he is the best choice. His religion is of only minor importance; his values are of much higher importance, and his abilities are of utmost importance.
I am Catholic and yes I would vote for a Mormon but I do not care for Romney as a person, I do not believe that he has “a clue” of how we middle class people have to struggle, also he does not act like he cares about the presidency, he only wants the power. I did not like his actions in 2008 and would not have voted for him then. When he talks, his gestures are like a 12 year old, he does not impress me at all!!! If I have no o ther choice beside Obama or Romney, I will “hold my nose” and vote for him. It will be the” lesser of 2 evils”!!!!!
I know this thread is targeted at whether we would vote for a Mormon or not and it has brought out a lot of interesting comments. Personally, I will vote for the candidate who not only upholds my own values but also the one who I consider to have the knowledge and experience to best fulfill the postition for which they are after.
In the case of this years election, all of us must do what is right for this country. Voting for Obama or not voting at all, in my opinion, is a recipe for disaster that we, as a nation, can’t afford.
Take a look at this YouTube video that explains the budgetary dilemna the Congress is in and ask yourself who is best suited to address this problem – Obama or Romney?
The US Budget Dilemna
Okay, I guess I didn’t enter the URL correctly. Hopefully, this time it will work.
It should get you to “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XXcDmVSIvA”.
What choice do we have then? It is between the devil and the deep blue sea…I would rather vote for a Mormon with good Christian principles (am not concerned with theological beliefs) than for a regular run of the mill Christian who is only Christian by the fact of Baptism but has no sound Christian principles. Tell me more about Romney…does he fit the (my) bill…or maybe I can cast a negative vote for neither
love and God Bless,
Ryan
I agree with those who say this is NOT about religion. Not all people will agree who is the best hope for the future, but we should leave the insane prejudices out of it. Prejudice is obvious when people say “All blacks are…”, “All Catholics are…”, or “All Mormons are…”, etc. I am a Mormon. People who don’t even know me will call me a liar. That is prejudice!
People who don’t know what I believe make up stories about “what Mormons believe.” I will tell you this: If you can’t believe that we believe what we say we believe, then how do you think we can believe what is never taught in our meetings? From age 3 and onward the children in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are taught and asked to memorize the thirteen Articles of Faith. “1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost.” (To say we are “not Christian” is misleading at best.) On to “11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same privilege…” We are NOT going to force others to join our faith. Throw away the conspiracy theories! Now, “13. We believe in being honest, true…” Mormonism would cease to exist if we claimed to believe these things but actually did the opposite. Those who say we are liars might be the ones who are lying. Ask God if you don’t believe me.
By the way…on Judgement day when we meet Christ …he surely will not question us on our theological beliefs…but “When I was hungry….”
The only belief in question is “Did you believe in My son, my beloved…whom I have sent…Did you LISTEN to Him?”
That is the only Theology I stand for and the Bible tlls me that I am right? Am I?
Well, I have never voted for or against someone because of their religion and I am very surprised that so many will/won’t vote for people because of it. It comes off a kin to prejudice to me – and I’m WHITE!
I don’t have problems with Mormons. Think of it this way – You tell someone that if they make themselves a better person as defined by Christ (giving, honest, caring, self-sacrificing, so forth) that they’ll be joint heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17). You wouldn’t say that GOD isn’t allowed to create another world would you? And what is inheritance if not having what the giver has? Thus, I can see where they get the concept – out of my own bible.
So… These mormons actually believe it and diligently start working on themselves so much that the change is noticeable by those around them. If everyone tried that hard to better themselves – this would be a very different world.
So I can only imagine two possibilities:
1) They are wrong, but yet they are making the world a better place.
2) They are right, and what they believe is making the world a better place.
(I have to give Dave some credit to the by their fruits comment. They ARE making the world a better place. Maybe what they believe is odd, but they fit the salt of the earth comments by the Savior in my bible.)
Few of us will say Mormons are bad fruit individually, so how can they come from a bad tree?
Sure, I’ll vote for a mormon provided they are qualified.
What does it matter if someone professes to be a Christian or not? How many Presidents have there been that have been Christian in name but not in action? Can one really think that a Mormon President will alter the government and the laws as to favor his own church, and in 4 or 8 years change society as to “mormonize” it?
Politics is a game of interests, plain and simple. Only some people who voted for Obama in ’08 thought they were voting for a Savior. But no matter how good a candidate is, there will always be issues that we as voters don’t agree with. What are the most fundamental issues that we cannot negotiate away: life (even for the unborn), religious liberty, economic liberty? Which candidate has shown to be against these?
That’s a trick question. I would vote for a Mormon just not Romney. I’m voting for Ron Paul even if I have to write him in. When will the country club Republicans learn that the people are tired of being forced to vote for a socialists like Romney, McCain, and Bush(s)?
I am a Christian. Since 1973 I have seen Christian men run for office with the promise to keep abortion legal. I am compelled to vote with my conscience on the life issue. If you do not have the right to be born, how can you exercise your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I will not support a candidate that will not support the right of every in utero human to be born. Amen.
You hit me in my dilemma, Gary, I have not yet decided whether to “hold my nose”, as Maryanne ZClark will, and vote for Romney, who at least belatedly, seems to have taken a pro-life stand (even the early Christians distrusted new converts) or write in Ron Paul, who has always been consistently pro-life and less government.
Today’s reading spoke of God’s punishment of Zion for her lack of Faith and, in the Gospel, Jesus rebuked Peter, even as He reached out to save him from drowning when he got scared and started to sink, “O ye of little Faith”. Well, little Faith is better than no Faith… In the Homily, Father mentioned that Pope Benedict XVI, in speaking about the lack of Faith in today’s culture said, “We all want to keep a little evil in our pockets, just in case.”
Peter became afraid when he focused on the winds and the waves and he just couldn’t see how he would make it, and he sank, but when he sank he cried out, “Lord save me!” and he was saved.
I wonder if, as I look out on the situation we are in, and become fearful, if Mitt Romney is “the little evil (the lesser of two evils) in MY pocket, and if, perhaps, I should be calling out, “Lord, save us!” and voting for Ron Paul, the candidate I had hoped would win the GOP nomination. This is not to say I see Ron Paul as a Savior, but only the best person of those running to be our president.
Those who try to make Rommney’s religious affiliation, are best weak minded. Obama’s supposed Christian beliefs were dogged preety darn good in 08. It didn’t seem to matter then. We know if it was an issue w/catholics it didn’t show in th votings. Let us stick to important issues. Are we better off now as a Nation or worse.Unemployment is staggering,wellfare will strangle us if it is not reeled in. Obama is clearly a class warfare candidate. Plays the race card every chance he gets even though he is not Black.He is a devider, not unifier as promised. He alsoo is an avowed pro abortion person He is also a socialist! Easy vote, he should go back to school, where are his transcripts!!!!.
So many not voting for Romney because he does not believe in all Catholic teachings?? He’s not running for office of Pope…he’s running for office of President of the United States, in hope of saving it from the ruin of which the current administration has taken us. Another four years of BO and his socialist/marksist agenda and we will not have an America to care about. Any one who does not vote for Romney in this election is allowing BO another four years and will have the blood of this nation on their hands. Pray about it and act according to the Holy Spirit. This is an urgent election.
mystismom:
Agree 100% with your comment. It is not what denomination a person is, but also his character, his experience and knowledge on how to solve the problems at hand. We have a divided country where our own president is suiting the states. When has this happened? Obama has put american against american in every group conceivable. He doesn’t have anything good to show and is going to try to demonized Romney. He doesn’t respect the constitution and wants America to be a Socialized county like Europe and look where Europe is right now! In bankruptcy! Being bailed out with our money! If you are not sure who to vote, just ask this question, do you want to end up like Greece? Those people went bankrupt mainly because almost half the working people there is working for the government and want more and more benefits and hands out that can’t be sustainable. Please, make a smart decision, vote for AMERICA’s well being.
I am a Roman Catholic and very dedicated to God. In accord with the virtue of Prudence it is my duty to vote for Mitt Romney; to do otherwise is a serious mortal sin. In addition to that, not voting or voting for the bigot, abortionist, anti-God Barack Obama would just be plain old STUPID. So if you commented on this blog that YOU will not vote for a Mormon (Mitt Romney) then YOU ARE STUPID and You are a SINNER!
Clara, I do agree we should be calling out, “Lord, save us!” as the two most likely presidents will cripple our country with more debt, wars, regulations, dishonesty and allow the Federal Reserve to keep printing money to bail out wealthy international bankers. Certainly, Obama is worse but I don’t see voting for a flip-flop pro-abortion socialist (Romney) over a neo-communist (Obama) much of a choice. Too bad the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, is not pro-life. Let’s pray a miracle happens at the Republican convention and Ron Paul wins. Its a disgrace how the Republican Party, in a couple of states and in cooperation with the national level, has circumvented their own rules and taken away the necessary delegates preventing Ron Paul from winning 5 states. I know there are active lawsuits but the main stream media (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CNN, MSNBC) won’t cover it and may not be resolved before the convention.
Mr. Obama isn’t a Christian either, but many ignorant Catholics voted for the most pro abortion President ever in Barak Obama and from the comments listed here it is apt to happen again, sadly.
I would encourage all the naysayers against Mr. Romney to clear your prejudice, read broadly and listen to another point of view instead of being so sure that you are right. If you are Catholic and voted for Obama, the Lord will hold you accountable for not knowing or living your professed religion.
I’ll pray to ask God, His assistance to vote for the right person who can lead USA well.
I am a Catholic and would vote for a Mormon who had strong beliefs in God as well as a Jew who had a strong belief in God. The thing that matters is their moral beliefs and if they believe in the fundamentals that most all God fearing people believe….When the candidates have strong beliefs in what marriage is and against abortions, I will decide where to place my vote. The vote this time is very important and we have to really search our hearts to see what candidate holds those values that we as Christians believe in and live by.
Given the other choice – President Obama, I would vote for an atheist, an agnostic, a hindu, buddhist – whatever. President Obama has turned this country on its head with his socialist leanings and policies. He HAS to go.
Of course I will vote for Romney. He has shown himself to have good family values, is pro life, and seems to be a decent, honest and honorable man. That is good enough for me. And, when you consider the alternative….well, forget that, there really isn’t one.
I will also not be voting for any Mormon this election. Planet Kolob, The Missing Golden Plates, Baptism for the dead,, Polygamy, False Prophet Joseph Smith. Romney the practiced serial liar as POTUS would be an unmitigated disaster on just about every imaginable level .I fail to understand how an awkward and completely out-of-touch Mormon like Romney who tithes more to his church than he pays in taxes will ever be able to park his religion at the front door of the Oval office. Romney, who has been baptized into this insular culture, as well as serving as the Bishop and President of his church.The Mormon Faith is based on a Lies, Deception, Polygamy and a self serving fraud named Joseph Smith. The LDS Church asks their members who believe in this nonsense to tithe 10 percent of their earnings to its church. Romney’s Mormonism is deeply rooted in a gospel of Smith’s bizarre beliefs that could be a be a scary option if Romney ever became President. Romney should explain how Brigham Young was able to father 57 children with 16 different women and was married to 55 wives. Mormonism stands as the most preposterous religion because it can be proven to be completely false. Mormons entered the world teaching that all prior Christianity was corrupt, and an abomination to God and believe that the Garden of Eden is located in Jackson County Missouri.The LDS Faith was started by a fraud named Joseph Smith who practiced polygamy,had 33 wives other than his first wife, Emma Hale. Smith had numerous affairs with housemaids, and underage girls as young as 14 years old. This is why Mormons like Romney will NEVER bring their religion into a live debate, as the consequences would politically destroy him and the Mormon Church would quickly become a laughingstock on the worlds stage.
I am Roman Catholic (convert from Anglican Catholic) and I practice my religion. I am no zealot except when it comes to my right to practice my religion in America. Not only did we have ObamaCare crammed down our throats, but the president has adamantly and arrogantly refused to recognize the rights of Roman Catholic business people not to pay for birth control and the murderous practice of abortion under the new health mandate. This is the thing that terrifies me – the erosion of our personal, religious and political freedoms under this administration and President Obama’s socialist agenda. Whether you know it or not, he considers his first term a wonderful success. He could not care less about the $15 trillion plus national debt. He continues to pile entitlements on top of the others which we cannot afford and must borrow $.40 of every dollar we spend. I don’t care what religion the next president practices as long as he is not the president we are suffering under now.
I am not an an American so this doesn’t really botter me. But Romney (a Mormon) and Obama (a pro-homosexualist); so, who is better? American Catholics should have my sincere sympathy because they’ve got a real dilema in their hands. Who is a better evil?
Maybe the catholis should abstain from voting……….
Emmanuel
What are “you” people thinking? The comments “would not vote for a Mormon”? So your other choices are vote for a communist dictator, keep him in office and see how long it takes for him to totally take away your religious freedoms or not vote at all…how disgusting that men and women have died for your right to vote and you are “choosing” not to…As Ronald Reagan said the “lose of freedom is only a generation away” Wake up people there are bigger things at stake here…..Mormon or muslim, communist dictator as president of the United States of America.. I will take my chances on the Mormon
My question is this: A mormon or a pro-homosexualist; who is the better evil? That is the dilema American Catholics are in ……..!
Normally I would never vote for a Mormon. They are polytheists. However, I have to vote to get Obama out of office before he does any more damage to America. It is telling that the candidate from the Republican Party is not a Christian. Americans seem to mistrust Christianity. We must evangelize. In any case, we Catholics have poor choices for President in my opinion. I will vote for the lesser of two evils. On the plus side, the Mormons do great work helping the people in distress from natural disasters. They are organized, financially stable, and compassionate. And Romney is a sensible experienced business person. Two plusses. Although I would normally never vote for a polytheist , I will in November because Obama needs to go.
When it comes to women in the church, Mormons are more restrictive than the Catholic Church. The role of a good Morman woman is to bear many children.
Barack Obama is an abortion President. Therefore, Mitt Romney, as far as I am concerned, is the better choice.
I have written the white house numerous times via email only to receive my views are respected but no change is being made.
A nation that kills its own is doomed. I pray only God’s will be done.
I would vote for Mormon only if the Christian candidate is worse than Non-Christian.
I’m voting for Romney. Not my first choice but I believe he respects religious freedom. A vote for any body else is a vote for Obama. Remember Ross Perot. Who got elected – Clinton, another pro-abortion president.
I would not vote for a mormon, as they are not a christian faith based people. Second I WOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA, because he is christian, because he more closely follows the teaching of Christ to help others, especially the poor. and I believe that those that object to his abortion policies, are using that a a disguise for racism, which is a non christian attribute.. People have a choice whether to avail themselves of abortions. However in the case of Romney, people cannot protect themselves from his policies that favor the rich and harm the poor. In my opinion, I will go with the guy that can have the most positive impact on those in need, in this country. Abortion is a choice, it is not a mandate that we must avail ourselves of, But a mandate to tax the poor and middles class, take away what little benefits there are in our society, for those in need, in order to fatten the wallets of oil companies and Koch Brothers and all the billionaires and millionaires, is obscene and and harmful to most people in our country. I am deeply offended by those that wish to ignore true Christian principle, in order to cram an aspect of their faith, down the throat of all people, regardless of their belief systems.. and YES I am a practicing catholic.
Romney’s true god is personal wealth. His policies indicate that he has no compassion, and I don’t think he’s human. One only needs to read about the history of mormons to realize the religion is nothing more than a nutty cult.
Mormons have no respect for women so I would vote for Obama, he might be pro-choice but he at least gives women a choice to decide for their own well being and their futures. To me any religion that believes it is normal to have more than one wife and then wants to run a country shows how little respect he has for women. In my opinion Obama is an excellent role model with the way he treats his wife and children. Another thing Catholicism should not be involved in politics so it is very irresponsible for Scott P. Richert to ask these questions and force his opinions on others epecially Catholics that can’t think for themselves.
Your comments above and on August 10 have deeply troubled me. Your narrow attack on President Obama causes me to question how you define a “good” christian. How about discussing what The President has done or tried to do as a good christian? Why not discuss how he is trying to help those who have the least. I am a practicing catholic and I don’t agree with everything the church has to say. Does that make me any less a catholic than yourself? I thought a good christian was someone who cares about and helps their fellow human beings. I found your “deliberate attacks” rather irresponsible. Your comments have led me to unsubscribe to all future newsletters from you as of today.
Joi, I’m not sure what comments above you’re referring to, since the article is about whether Christians will vote for a Mormon.
Regarding President Obama, however, any good that he has tried to do has to be weighed against his support for abortion. He isn’t simply the most pro-abortion president that the United States has ever had; his support for abortion is stronger than the Democratic mainstream.
Catholics can only vote for candidates who support abortion if a) they are not voting for them because they support abortion, and b) there are proportionate reasons for voting for them.
What reason, Joi, do you think is proportionate to the deaths of 1.3 million unborn children each year?
I am not a Catholic, nor a Mormon. I would vote for a Mormon, or a Jew for President if I were convinced their moral foundation was appropriate to the Office of President. I would not go to a Mormon, or a Jew for doctrinal guidance. I am a Missouri-Synod Lutheran and would vote for an anti-abortion Mormon before I would vote for a “pro-choice” ELCA Lutheran. I fear that a lot of these surveys cannot separate themselves from the particular candidate. Would people see things differently if Mitt Romney was a democrat or Barak Obama was a Mormon?
As of my last post (131), I had pretty much decided to vote for Ron Paul, but a friend showed me how to look up his voting record and I did so, I was surprised at the number of times he had voted against the pro-life position. I strongly believe that life supercedes all other positions, including fiscal conservatism (which I support), protecting our constitution (which I support), because without life, there is no constitution at all. At the same time, I learned that Paul Ryan had been chosen to run for Vice President. Now I am solidly behind the Romney/Ryan ticket. I feel that not only will Ryan’s skills be an excellent complement to those of Romney, but I feel Ryan, the man, brings this ticket up to something much higher than the lesser of two evils. I thank God for putting this Mormon American and this Catholic American together on one ticket to show what Americans with good will can do together to keep our nation free.
we face a very, very serious situation in our country…The up-coming election could truly seal our fate, for a very long time… People need to really dig into the truths of the L.D.S. teachings and practices…It is not what they are saying now…You have to be there, to hear the lessons, watch and learn all that they profess, etc…It is more than just a case of underwear…It is brain-washing to the max with a set of beliefs, that if a member strays, they can be x-coummunicated..I do not think Romney wants to have that happen to him…They are truly a corporation, with businesses and warehoses filled with food-stuffs, etc..But all this is only for the believer… They have the belief system of racism..Oh they said it no longer exists, concerning a black man holding a priest-hood; but, this contradicts the teaching that reads that until the last son of adam is baptised, will the “mark of Cain”, (black skin), be removed…Good luck that that will happen soon.. and if the last son stood there who will baptise him? Native American tribes are also the lost tribes of Israel…And they latch on pretty good to them too All non-believers are to be baptised and made purly white of light etc, etc, etc.. opr so they say…… Just look at the whole picture of this man’s beliefs and how it affects their life-style, and how it would be forced upon us..Already, his party is stripping women of our natural rights, and believe me, his own mormon ones agree right along side this all… WE must all see the reality that is there…They believe in a veil existing between our creation in some other place, before we were brought here, by our births; please notice all he B.S. around them wrapped in fear and lies that they are spewing at us…They have a veil or so they say, and now they are trying to create one around us!!!
I am a Canadian. Therefore, I cannot vote for an American president. However, if I were an American and could vote an American president, I
wouldn’t vote for a Mormom because Mormomism encouraged polygamy in the past which was basically unethical. We are still haunted
by the Blackmoore incidence in Bountiful, B.C. This man has almost dozens of wives and hundreds of children. This is the real fundamental faith of Mormomism which believes women could not go to heven! Though they have changed now. However, they are still coming from this root.
In viewing the pole numbers one might consider that Mormons who have voted call themselves Christian which might account for the overwhelming number.
I believe that Jesus died to take my sin, I believe there is no other way to the Father but through Jesus and that I am powerless without this faith. I believe I am saved by His grace and not through good works. My many talks with Mormon missionaries leaves me saddened by their inability to explain how their doctrine does not align with these Biblical principles but is still considered Christian.
Mormons teach that God the Father came to hearth and had a fisical sexual relation with a Virgen Mary. That’s how Jesus was conceived.
you just probed you know NOTHING about the church of JESUSCHRIST of latterday saints.
pd: my comment was for Patrick (lds not christian)
It’s interesting to say you wont vote for Romney because Mormonism isn’t christianity…. but you might sway to vote for Obama even though he’s not a christian and his policies are against God and Morality. Base you vote on morality and not mormonism…. most mormons I know are of the highest caliber and of higher caliber than christians… and if they believe different in the end…it’s their issue with God…. When it comes to voting…. Mormons are more christian than democrats who just recently removed GOD out of their DNC platform….got in trouble for it and then slipped it back in…. bad…bad for our country to remove God from it
Im not voting for Romney…even if he wasn’t mormon I still wouldn’t. After reading a bunch of comments i saw a few things that r just awful. Christians posting: you don’t have to attack the Mormons. Feed evil with good, not evil with evil. Even if it is, there would be nothing on you to blame. Mormons posting: if you’re going to justify your beliefs with certain verses, how do you explain the verses that clearly prohibit most of your beliefs? Please correct me if I am wrong! I obviously don’t know about the church of latter day saints, just what I’ve heard from other people or the Internet. Ive never been to a service, nor have I read the book of mormon. So please, if my questioning isn’t correct, by all means, correct me!! But here’s a few: do you guys read more than just the bible? At least Muslims have their own holy book; but to say you go by the bible, but another doctrine as well is a big no no for Christians. Do you follow any teachings that have been taken out of, rewritten, or added to the holy bible? The bible explains how it is written: not by man but by God’s Spirit-the Holy Spirit, within man. To take out or rewrite that which has been written by God is denying Him. You believe in Jesus as your Lord? By the last note, you have denied God and His words, thus denying the Son of Man, thus you are not yet saved, and therefore you are not a Christian. God is amazing. And can turn the craftiest ways of satan into something amazing for Gods glory. I advise you to read the Bible. Only the Bible. Start with the Gospels. And THEN make your decision of who you want to follow.
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Hey everyone.
Sorry I’m late to this conversation but I was busy translating (through the power of the Holy Spirit) some gold plates that I found buried in a hill. They were left by an ancient Jewish civilization here in the US, who perished in a great war against evil. The war was so terrific that this ancient Jewish race was wiped completely clean off the map.
[That's how I know this is true... because has anyone ever found any Native American menorahs or anything like that? No? Well, that proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't it?]
Anyway, I’d show the golden leaves to you but an angel took them back… you know, because they’re so sacred. Anyway, the gist of the message is that JOSEPH SMITH was an false prophet and that Mitt Romney was a nub. (God’s words–not mine!)
I thought you’d like to know.
I would vote for a Mormon but not this Mormon. Romney has
contradicted himself on every important issue. First he was prochoice to get elected in MA. Now he is pro-life. He developed mandated healthcare in MA. Now he’s against it. He was for gun control, now he’ against it. At least with Obama I know what I am going to get. We are getting more jobs in my area and the housing market is much better. My son’s friends in the military are starting to come home. Obama hasn’t done any of the crazy stuff people accused him of wanting to do. Most of all I know he doesn’t want another war. I have two sons and I’m sick of these kids dying for what?
With all this railing on Mormonism as a cult – and I do believe that it is a false religion – why isn’t anyone railing on the cult of Islam? Granted this string of comments is tied to the question of “Would you vote for a Mormon?” But as a Christian, I believe that it is our responsibility to vote. We should vote after much prayer. We also must believe and trust that God is still on His throne and that He is still in charge. I believe that all of this is prophecy being fulfilled before the eyes of our generation. If Christ’s return is delayed, our children will most certainly see it! Personally, I’m more hesitant to vote for a Muslim than a Mormon. Yes, it’s a lose/lose either way.
I would never vote for a Mormon because these people take orders from their LDS Church and would not necessarily follow the laws of the U.S. Constitution. I would also NEVER vote for Romney because many of the people who are bankrolling his campaign are nursing home owner who drug their patients and leave them in bed to die to they themselves can make higher profits. My father was drugged with antipsychotics without informed consent at a Mormon owned facility. The owner is one of Romney’s biggest supporters. The pharmacist who filled the order for the drugs did so even thought the order form stated that informed consent had not been obtained. The pharmacist is the uncle of one of Romney’s top aids.
I have voted Republican my entire life, but this time I won’t. I can’t vote for a candidate who takes money made from the suffering and deaths of others. I cannot vote for Romney.
I would vote for a good atheist if he or she would do their best for the good of the country. I do not vote for a theologian I vote for agood president.
I spent ten years living in the state of Utah and probably know more about the beliefs of the LDS church than many of their 19-year-old “elders” that would ring our doorbell. Call if a church or a cult….the beliefs, rules, doctrines, etc. have changed on such a frequent basis since the inception of the organization that I have little respect for someone who blindly accepts the beliefs of this “church” without questioning why all of these “amendments” were necessary. Whether it was no longer allowing polygamy or allowing African Americans equal positions in the church….rules were changed to coincide with laws of the country and/or general political correctness. Therefore I would not vote for anyone with faith in such a wishy-washy church/cult/club/etc….
I am Mormon and I know for a fact that most all BS about us in these forums is stretched, molded, and distorted beyond any valid truth. These myths are passed down from preachers and so called “other men of the cloth” because they know every member who comes to the Church means their “pass around plate” will be a little lighter.
Besides if there were a “real” truth in the world wouldn’t Lucifer try and keep it away from everyone by creating lies, myths, and rumors to keep people away from it?
If anything you should be asking yourself is the adversary successfully pulling the wool over my eyes?
And yes we are Christians as we believe that Christ himself established the first “FULL” Church on the earth during his time here and when that was taken away it created all these different religions we know today. It wasn’t until recently that Christ himself chose to restore the fullness of the “FULL” gospel to the Earth in preparation for his return.
Joseph Smith did not create the Church he restored “by divine instruction” what existed long before any other organized religion became what it is today.
A close friend of mine visited the Mormon church recently. He stayed for the mens class afterward. They weren’t studying scripture or the book of Mormon. They had charts up all around the room and were discussing their progress in their goal of overtaking the Roman Catholic church.
The Mormon Church has done everything possible to look more Christian in recent years. I have many friends that are Mormon and I respect their religious choice. But to trick needy people into thinking they are just another Christian denomination bothers me. I believe having a Mormon President will double down on that and I oppose it.
I couldn’ vote for someone to hold the most powerful position in the world if he or she was a Mormon. There is just something not right in voting for someone who is offended by the Christian Cross, but instead worships in a Temple that has pentagrams. To me, Romney says the opposite of what Christ has taught. He openly stated that he doesn’t care for the poor and affirms that he will get us involved in two new wars in Iran and Syria, and is willing to take on Russia and China to do it. That’s not what Jesus would do!
We MUST STOP trying to Christianize the Office of the President.It is not in that “job criteria” for them to be a Christian
To begin with our Christan beliefs are so diverse and divided we can’t keep up ourselves. But what can keep up with is what does God hold us accountable for in the Bible? Sanctity of life…Same Sex Marriage and our tie to Israel…ALL of which Mr. Obama is against. We have not had a Christian president since Jimmy Carter…But we survived. We are obligated to not hold back the power given to us to vote…so vote your virtues and values …not your religion. By the way I am a Christian
Pagan religion by all historic accounts. You may try to change the name and the words written in YOUR book. But true christians know it is a completely made up religion w/ greed as the only motivator.
Oh, my gosh! I was born and raised Catholic and am quite aware that the Papicy had it’s day of intrigue, corruption and, at one time, dual Papicy. Presently, homosexuallity runs rampant in the CCatholic Priesthood. Don’t point finngers, three will be pointing back.
A wjhole lot of Catholics are Democrats even though the Democrat Party has slid into the tank. You can choose BHO whose Father was a Muslim Communist, adopted Father was a Muslim, Mother was a Progressive, Grandma and Grandpa were Communists, his teen-years mentor a Communist. It goes on, but you get the point.
Now, compare him to MR and his Catholic running mate. Is there REALLY a definite choice?
Get real, folks. You can spew your venom and consider yourselves so superior all you want, but four more years of NOTHING but misery, joblessness, and hopelessness with no change in sight? He had two years with COMPLETE CONTROL of both houses of Congress and blew it flying around the world accomplishing NOTHING!
Earth calling. (Binders anyone?)
Looking at the comments in this blog I feel I need to correct some widely misunderstood ideas about the LDS or Mormon Church
The true name of the LDS or Mormon Church is the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
If mormons didn’t believe in Christ then why would they bother using his name in the title of their church
What is a christian? One popular website defines this as :
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
Therefore we are most definitely Christian – While we may not do things the same as other so called christian churches this does make us any less christian
Please check out the Youtube link below – Are Mormons Christians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STgqgEAypAg
Mormonism is not even a religion; It is a cult.
It was started by an American man in the 19th century so that he could have relations with multiple underage women.
Would you vote for a Scientologist for president? How about one of the Branch Davidians or Heaven’s Gate members?
A cult does not become a legitimate religion just because it lasts for a long time and gathers lots of members.
I would not vote for Romney. Part of that reason is in fact because he is Mormon. I cannot abide by their ideas concerning women, or their hierarchical power views with regard to men. To think that Romney can separate these aspects of his religion from his person is ludicrous. We cannot separate our values from our actions just because something is seen as “political”. Most real political reformations have come about because of their roots in deeply held religious values. I’m personally surprised at how many people are even considering voting for him. I don’t think Obama is the best possible choice out there, but for now that is the only other serious contender and he looks better to me than Romney does.
No i would not vote for a mormon or any other false doctrine religion for the presidency of the united states of america.that would be like voting for satan or the devil to run your country
Concerning the cross, that someone mention that Mormons don’t have them. Well let me say this: If some one took a knife and killed a love one of yours, would you wear that knife around your neck?
won’t that be class as an idol,?
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God,
Those who claim that we are not Christian, know nothing of our faith. I sincerely invite you to learn of us and the true gospel of Christ. Don’t believe what the media states about us, but instead come to us and find out what we teach. Just as you would not want me to go to a member of another religion to find out what we believe in, so to do we ask for you to come to us and let us explain who we are and who we believe in. I bear witness to you that Jesus is the Christ, and that He is the Son fo the Living and Eternal God, who is our Father. I know that He died for all of us on the Christ and was resurrected three days later; that without Him, we are nothing. I know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, contains the fulness of the gospel and invite all to come and drink of the fullness of the gospel. My email is tristinautrey@gmail.com or you can go to mormon.org to find the truth.
Fellow veterans beware and be aware that…
Mitt avoided draft during Vietnam (went on a mission to convert Frenchies to Mormonism)
5 of Mitt’s strapping sons avoid military service after 9/11Mitt’s father George avoided military service during WWII.
The Romney’s are a family of self-serving unpatriotic cowards. Mitt is a s**tbag who only loves $$$.
Andy Z. USMC Sgt. 67-70
I could not vote for a Mormon even if I agreed with some of their campaign. I see Mormonism as a cult.
Despite the fact that Mormonism is little more than warmed over Freemasonry, I would vote for a Mormon. Mormons are far more “respectable” when compared to Evangelical Christians. They educate their children, and have a good sense of family. Something that is sadly missing in the Novus Ordo Parishes today. Look at BYU when compared to “solidly” Catholic Colleges such as Notre Dame or Loyola.
One thing I know Mormons are sensitive about, is the sacred underwear. How can one not look at that and see the compass and square and not come to the conclusion that freemasonry dominates every aspect of the LDS Church?
I would not vote for a Mormon because I do not trust them. I also believe they just stick to themselves and exclude others. I had awful experiences with them in the past and they proved to be not trustworhty, dishonest, clique types and they hide behind their religion. No way would I vote for a Momon.
When given the choice between a Mormon and a Muslim I think the decision is super easy. I am a Christian and I will vote for the Mormon. I don’t think Mormons are Christians but they are moral people and a Mormon would have respect for the constitution unlike our current president. If a true Christian was running for president of course they would have my full support but our country has become so Anti-Christian they probably couldn’t win. I hope and pray our land turns back to God because he is our only hope.
Diligent Dave and the rent of the “ranters” : you are making me not like Romney simply because you come off pushy. Stop picking apart everyone’s post. I know you are only trying to correctly inform, but you’re coming off sounding pushy. Ya.. I voted for Obama in the last election. Palin ruined any chance McCain may have had. Since this is a Catholic site, question.. If the Vatican is supporting Romney (which they are), does that mean the planet thing is true and Smith is a real profit or blaspheme?
soy miembro de esta iglesia hace 29 anos y es la mejor decision q pude tomar en mi vida, esta es la verdad es un evangelio completo q cree n DIos el eterno Padre , en su hijo Jesucristo y en el espiritu santo, es necesario estudiarla para entenderla , yo no la dejare nunca , es la unica q me hiso comprender de donde vengo, donde estaba antes de nacer , por que escogi venir y escogi mis padres para q me dieran mi cuerpo y de esta forma ser probada y poder escoger atraves del libre albeldrio , el camino y la vida q me llevara a la exaltacion eterna en los reinos celestiales, Dios es el creador del universo y de inumerables mundos , todos resucitaremos y viviremos los q le hayamos escogio seguir y vencido todas las experiencias y obedecido los mandamiento del Senor, seguido sus escrituras y al profeta viviente y revelador……..esa es mi hermosa organizada y perfecta iglesia…………..te invito a conocerla visita nuestras capillas buscalas es mormon .org\ bendiciones para todo el q lea este mi testimonio y lo dejo dicho en el nombre de Jesucristo amen y amen
Why in the world would it ever be OK to say you would not vote for a Mormon for president? Or a Catholic? Or a Jew?
Think about it. Oh, I’d never vote for a Jew. Doesn’t that sound stupid? I think it does.
It always has to be about the actual person running. Now, if the person says that he will use his spiritual beliefs in the day-to-day job, that’s the person. Not the religion.
Look at the Middle East. Over the course of history, their political leaders have governed using religious principles to run their countries. How’s that working out for them? They’ve been killing each other for centuries, they just can’t stop.
Now, if the particular Mormon is someone who lies, switches his issue positions based on how the election polls are doing, says things in “private” that show his poor character, is so out of touch with the average American that several hundred thousand dollars of income changes from year to year are inconsequential, indicates that he will make every day life even more difficult for poor and middle class people struggling to keep their homes and families afloat while continuing to increase the income gap between the super rich and the rest of the populace, no, I won’t vote for that particular Mormon.
Anybody that says Mormons are not Christians are idiots. The definition of a Christian states:
A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
Therefore that makes Mormons Christians. At 8 years old Mormons are baptized. And they all believe in Christ and his teachings. Check and Check. So everybody that says they are not Christian, shut the hell up.
Adam, Christian baptism requires not simply baptism, but baptism according to the Trinitarian formula. And that requires not only baptism “In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” but that the minister of baptism mean what the Christian Church means by that—i.e., that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons in one God.
Mormons do not believe in the Trinity as the Christian Church defines the Trinity. Their baptisms, therefore, are not Christian baptisms, and therefore every Christian church would require a Mormon who converts to be baptized in that church.
Im christian LDS, love Jesus I dont care for people who bare false witness , the truth is were persecuted continuously because we live a christian life. during the millenium all Christians will become one, one religion ,Jesus will be here to run things and were all going to feel pretty silly pointing fingers at everyone else. At that time the gospel will be more readily excepted , but why wait , the truth the gospel is here now for any one willing to hear. I was catholic for 21 years and switched over because I prayed and the spirit told me it was true. If I hadn’t of received an answer I would have declined, but I did receive a witness, by the way its not called the Mormon church ,its church of Jesus Christ and that was a nick name from the pioneer days. I think the world is more mature now and can handle the real title. may Heavenly Father bless you all.
I would never vote for a Mormon. What a lot of people don’t understand is that if a Mormon denounced any of the strict doctrines or covenants of the Mormon church, they would be ostracized from the church. They have strong beliefs handed down from the President of the church – who, in Mormon terms is equal to the Catholic Pope. The church, being smaller and more of a tight knit community. I went to Mormon church for 2 years. They ARE sexist, they ARE racist, and if they stray from Mormon beliefs they are officially “de-carded” and not allowed in the Temple. They may get back their “Temple Recommend” card, but only after proving themselves as faithful Mormons practicing the Doctrines and Covenants. If anyone EVER thinks that a Mormon president of the US will EVER believe in gay marriage (or rights), general abortion, and anyone of color being equal to a white skinned person (without repenting to the “father” for their sins which caused their skin to be dark), – which ALL go against the Mormon religion… then they really are deaf, dumb and blind!!!
I refuse to vote for theists of any flavor.
The name of our Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints. People called us Mormon coz of the Book of Mormon. If you don’t no what you saying then save your breath for something else. We believe our Heavenly Father lives, Jesus is our Saviour and the Holly Spirit. Joseph Smith is a TRUE PROPHETof GOD. He is like everyone else.
LDS don’t pay their Leaders all other Churches do, what is that tells you? We don’t pay to teach the word of God, it’s free, not like others you have to give them money before they leave your house. We teach our families and our kids to a strong foundation and their relationship with our Heavenly Father. I’m not ashamed by saying the truth,The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is True Church of God and I don’t need to prove that to those who criticism us and our True Church.
You can say whatever you wanna say but we don’t listen to any of your crap Matt. You need to go back to school and listen what the 4year old kid saying “Shut Up Matt”.
I’m not an American but a so I can’t vote but if I was I wouldn’t vote for him; but i will burn the Book of Mormon and reject LDS .
You either follow the bible or that hidden demonic religion. The fact that Mormon believe God had sexual relationship to conceive Jesus means 1. Jesus’ birth was NOT a miracle. 2. How can you call Mary a virgin?
The Devil is Jesus’ brother who rebelled because the Father chose Christ as our Saviour – That means The Devil is God too? According to the Mormons, yes. Mormons ARE NOT Christians.